Post by martin f krafft
In your platform you list "Ensuring the community remains safe and fun"
as your first priority for the next term.
I need to ask why you think in this term you will manage to do so, when
I believe you failed to do so in the last year.
I think you are being unfair here. You can read my reply to madduck's
question on the same subject "safe and fun".
But as a reminder of a few points:
- I was able to restaff the AH team quickly and do regular pings to ensure it
- I am really optimistic the AH team will be able to publish regular reports
- The new DebConf Committee delegation is working properly and I do not see
major issues putting DebConf or Debian's finances at risk
- I have encouraged sprints, BSPs, acquisition of hardware, etc... and worked
on simplifying a bit the reimbursement process.
- I have automated production of DD certificates and thanks to nm.d.o's
notifications, I contact every new DD to make sure they get all the attention
and help they need.
- I have organized multiple sessions at DebConf to make sure important
subjects get some attention.
And I am pretty sure I'll have new ideas to implement or suggest with time.
So stating that I failed is a bit harsh, IMHO.
Post by martin f krafft
Some context for the rest of the readers.
For many years, my main involvement in Debian has been helping with
DebConf. I was delegated as DebConf Chair by Lucas in August 2014, a
position I held until October 2015 when all three chairs resigned in block.
I resigned because I could not withstand the burnout any more, the
sleepless nights, and being in anger all the time.
For me, all that harm came mostly from one determined person, and a few
followers. Many current and former DebConf-team members agree with this
This person, and a couple others can be blamed directly for the burnout,
resignations, and vacations many valuable volunteers took during my tenure.
The DPL at the time knew about this, but he did nothing to improve the
After you were elected as DPL, me and many other people spent loads of
time discussing with you the problems within DebConf: political and
In fact, this is not really true. I have tried really hard to find people
ready to talk about DebConf, its issues, how to enhance it, etc... For a
long period of time, I have not managed to find anyone to have that
discussion. So "many people" is a bit exaggerated.
I think we have had a really nice and productive discussion during Debian
SunCamp. And I remember other attendees of the event that joined us (a bit
later) and shared their thoughts on DebConf in general.
Post by martin f krafft
Later last year, a large number of long-time core DebConf organisers
asked you to find a way to remove from the team the person we all agreed
caused the most damage.
After two months, you came up with a compromise that I found severely
insufficient. To this day, I can see that not even that compromise
solution was followed.
It was not a compromise (and still isn't). It is a first step solution.
You may accept that complex situations require complex paths for resolution
and take time. And this first step solution is still implemented as of today.
We cannot reasonably expect anyone to resolve in a few weeks (or even months)
issues of this complexity lasting for more than a couple of years.
I said explicitly that a DPL is not the good person to talk to when it
is about expulsion. That's DAM's territory. I can relay them the case but
at some point, they will also need to talk to all involved parties in order
to make a decision. And the decision is really theirs.
If you want to ban someone from a mailing list, you may contact list-masters.
If you want to ban someone from IRC, you may contact IRC operators.
if you want to ben someone from the project, you may contact DAM.
If you contact the DPL, then you're asking for some mediation.
I have done a mediation and I did implement something that solves some
issues in the short term. There is still a fair amount of work to do in
order to fix the problem on the longer term. But, in such complex and long
lasting situations, it is very important to work together. I do not expect
anyone to reach any useful result while working alone on the matter.
After all the energy and time I have invested on this matter, I have to admit
that I found a bit rude to get a synchronized reply like "We did not expect
this solution. Sorry, you failed". It was like a sentence and I did not have
the right to respond. To this day, this is the first mail I get from you
and you (and any other from the signees) did not want to work with me on
the matter. I recognize my mail back then could have been better worded
and I am really sorry for that. I can also imagine that the outcome was
not the one you were looking for. But if we cannot discuss together calmly
about this subject, I fear we will not be able to get anything positive.
It is crucial to be able to identify scenarios, analyze and evaluate them
together. I cannot read minds, but I can discuss until I get a clear
understanding of the situation and, more importantly, a perfect understanding
of your expectations (and criteria for acceptable solutions). We may have
failed to get our mutual expectations right. And it goes without saying that
I am still ready and motivated to restart our discussion from scratch in
order to get better solutions.
Telling me "here is a problem. now it is your problem" doesn't work.
Replying once "your fist attempt is not the one I wanted. you failed. good
bye" is not helping anyone of us.
Refusing to talk to someone putting huge efforts and motivation will not
help your cause.