Discussion:
Draft ballot for the GFDL vote
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Manoj Srivastava
2006-02-24 16:16:22 UTC
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Hi,

Note that this is a draft, voting is not yet open. I've made
some modifications (for example, we are talking about works licensed
under the GFDL, not the GFDL itself), and went back and looked at the
emails from the proposer to make sure I am representing their intent,
to the best of my ability to do so.

manoj

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[ ] Choice 1: GFDL licensed works are unsuitable for main in all cases
[ ] Choice 2: GFDL licensed works are free unless unmodifiable sections present
[ ] Choice 3: GFDL licensed works are compatible with the DFSG [needs 3:1]
[ ] Choice 4: Further discussion
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Manoj Srivastava
2006-02-24 16:47:20 UTC
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Hi,

Well, obviously this is not about "procedures to publish posts
from the debian-private mailing list" .

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the Debian projects position on the GNU Free Documentation License.
The vote is being conducted in accordance with the policy delineated
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manoj
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Arthur de Jong
2006-02-25 11:54:37 UTC
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Post by Manoj Srivastava
[ ] Choice 1: GFDL licensed works are unsuitable for main in all cases
I would personally like to see this without the "in all cases" as an
author could add extra statements clarifying their intention or
interpretation of the license that could make the work DFSG-free. This
also seems to be what the proposal is about.
Post by Manoj Srivastava
[ ] Choice 2: GFDL licensed works are free unless unmodifiable
sections present
Is this correct (I have trouble parsing this)? Maybe "GFDL licend works
withour unmidifiable sections are free."?

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Manoj Srivastava
2006-02-25 15:26:56 UTC
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Post by Arthur de Jong
[ ] Choice 1: GFDL licensed works are unsuitable for main in all
cases
I would personally like to see this without the "in all cases" as an
author could add extra statements clarifying their intention or
interpretation of the license that could make the work
DFSG-free. This also seems to be what the proposal is about.
Since the wording is from the proposer of the GR, I would tend
to go along with him knowing what the proposal is all about. Also,
the full text of the proposal is always authoritative; the ballot is
simply there to identify the proposal well enough that the voters can
link it
Post by Arthur de Jong
[ ] Choice 2: GFDL licensed works are free unless unmodifiable
sections present
Is this correct (I have trouble parsing this)? Maybe "GFDL licend
works withour unmidifiable sections are free."?
Well, it is correct, but I see no reason not to switch the
sentence around, if it is clearer. Dato?
Post by Arthur de Jong
[ ] Choice 2: GFDL licensed works are free unless unmodifiable
sections present
[SNIP pedantic nitpicks]
Post by Arthur de Jong
So, unfortunately, that phrasing won't work.
(Oh, and just to be clear, I'm not saying that all of these are [or
are not] DFSG-freeness issues, just that they're unmodifiable
sections)
The single line on the ballot is not meant to be a full and
complete description of the proposal. It is only meant to identify
the proposal well enough that the voter can distinguish it from the
other choices. In this case, the wording has been vetted by the
proposer of the amendment, so I am sure that it is not deceptively
incorrect.

manoj
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Anthony DeRobertis
2006-02-25 14:18:14 UTC
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Post by Manoj Srivastava
[ ] Choice 2: GFDL licensed works are free unless unmodifiable sections present
All GFDL works have unmodifiable sections, including at least:

* [4D, 4E] Copyright statements

* [4A, 4I] Parts of the section entitled "History"

* [4F] The permission notice, which must be "in the form shown in the
Addendum below"

* [4H] A copy of the GFDL

* [4J] Random URLs

So, unfortunately, that phrasing won't work.


(Oh, and just to be clear, I'm not saying that all of these are [or are
not] DFSG-freeness issues, just that they're unmodifiable sections)
Manoj Srivastava
2006-02-25 15:37:01 UTC
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Hi,

Note that this is a draft, voting is not yet open. I've made
some modifications (for example, we are talking about works licensed
under the GFDL, not the GFDL itself), and went back and looked at the
emails from the proposer to make sure I am representing their intent,
to the best of my ability to do so.

Also, the single line on the ballot is not meant to be a
complete and accurate depiction of the full proposal or amendment, it
is only supposed to be close enough to help voters link ballot choices
to the corresponding proposal/amendment; and in no way substitues for
actually reading the full text of the proposals.

manoj

Votinge period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday, 26th February, 2006
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 11th March, 2006.

The following ballot is for voting on a General Resolution to address
the Debian projects position on the GNU Free Documentation License.
The vote is being conducted in accordance with the policy delineated
in Section A, Standard Resolution Procedure, of the Debian
Constitution.

The details of the general resolution can be found at:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001

You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions contact ***@debian.org.

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accurately depict the spirit of each proposal.

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choice names.

In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in
the brackets next to your next choice. Continue till you reach your
last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 4.
You may skip numbers. You may rank options equally (as long as all
choices X you make fall in the range 1<= X <= 4).

Make sure you have read the proposals in detail.

To vote "no, no matter what" rank "Further discussion" as more
desirable than the unacceptable choices, or You may rank the "Further
discussion" choice, and leave choices you consider unacceptable
blank. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. (Note: if the Further
Discussion choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked
choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the Further
discussion choice by the voting software).

Then mail the ballot to: ***@vote.debian.org.
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(">") that your reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed
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25a628e9-d88e-40b7-8e1c-888cff421ea5
[ ] Choice 1: GFDL-licensed works are unsuitable for main in all cases
[ ] Choice 2: GFDL-licensed works without unmodifiable sections are free
[ ] Choice 3: GFDL-licensed works are compatible with the DFSG [needs 3:1]
[ ] Choice 4: Further discussion
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